Serbian 10.15 x 63 r Mauser-Koka


#1

Hello guys,

I need any info about Serbian Mauser-Koka 10.15x63 ctgs. ???
I have two type of Belgian made 10,15 with HS " CH FUSNOT BRUXELLES " and " Ste ANONYME BRUXELLES" I wonder that is same manufacturer? Any info about “Fusnot” is welcome.

Best regards and thank you in advance.


#2

I have some info on Fusnot in my database:


The CHARLES FUSNOT & Cie of Brussels, Belgium produced ammunition and operated from 1833-c1890. The Fusnot factory began in 1833 by making cartridges for the Belgian Model 1833 Montigny needle-fire rifle.

In the Belgian Exhibition of 1847, Fusnot won a first prize for a special bullet which is now called the Gaupillat, but that was not patented till 1854.
Fusnot’s bullet had some cotton in the cavity, which was closed by a small disc
carrying the detonating compound.

He patented a pinfire cartridge in 1843. From 1852 to 1855, he worked to improve centerfire and pinfire cartridges, receiving a patent for a CF cartridge in 1855. In 1859, he designed an iron cylindro-ogival bullet having a lead band.

In 1861 Fusnot got another patent covering a one-piece cartridge ease, but this was later cancelled in 1878, on grounds that the same idea had been previously patented. In 1867, trials were held testing Fusnot wrapped foil case cartridges against some made by the Belgian Army arsenal called Ecole De Pirotechnic, in Antwerp. The Fusnot cartridges, which came out best in the trials, used a Chassepot-type bullet.

Fusnot perfected the drawn case type in Belgium. His company produced pinfire, rifle & handgun ammunition using either a ‘CF’ or ‘FUSNOT’ hs. Known to have produced 11mm Mauser with " FUSNOT BRUXELLES". hs

Some (eg. J&R) say it became part of Cartoucherie Belge in 1888. But what really happened is that it became part of SOCIETE ANONYME POUR LE FABRICATION DES CARTOUCHES & PROJECTILE at Anderlecht, Brussels (aka : “Société Anonyme des Capsuleries d’Anderlecht”) sometime c1890.

HERE IS SOME INFO ON ANDERLECHT


Cartoucherie Anderlecht of Brussels, Belgium operated under a variety of company names from 1880-1914 but did not survive WW1.

The company produced a variety of cartridges both handgun and rifle, for the military, civilian market and also for export.

A wide variety of hs styles were used which reflect the company titles, including:

“A” represents “Anderlecht”
“S.A” represents “Societe Anonyme des Cartoucheries” was adopted in 1890.
“C.A” represents “Cartoucherie Anderlecht” was adopted in 1893.
“SCB” represents “Societe anonyme des Cartoucheries, Bruxelles” dates 1895
"Ste ANONYME BRUXELLES" represents “Societe Anonyme des Cartoucheries, Anderlecht”

A 1900 document of S.A. Cartoucheries Russo-Belge describes itself as a May 1899 merger of Cartoucherie Belge, Cartoucherie d’Anderlecht, Cartoucherie Antoine, Cartoucherie Torbeck (Moscow) and Cartoucherie Inaroff (Moscow).

(ED : The accuracy of this document has been questioned by JPG).

12.7x44R Remington exist with “S.A.” and “C.A.” hs which are clearly produced by the same company and are believed to be by Cartoucherie Anderlecht.

The “S.A.” hs is also known on 10.15x61R Jarmann.
A “A” is known on 6.5x8R Albini Adapter produced by SA in 1896.


#3

[quote=“WBD”]I have some info on Fusnot in my database:


The CHARLES FUSNOT & Cie of Brussels, Belgium produced ammunition and operated from 1833-c1890. The Fusnot factory began in 1833 by making cartridges for the Belgian Model 1833 Montigny needle-fire rifle.

In the Belgian Exhibition of 1847, Fusnot won a first prize for a special bullet which is now called the Gaupillat, but that was not patented till 1854.
Fusnot’s bullet had some cotton in the cavity, which was closed by a small disc
carrying the detonating compound.

He patented a pinfire cartridge in 1843. From 1852 to 1855, he worked to improve centerfire and pinfire cartridges, receiving a patent for a CF cartridge in 1855. In 1859, he designed an iron cylindro-ogival bullet having a lead band.

In 1861 Fusnot got another patent covering a one-piece cartridge ease, but this was later cancelled in 1878, on grounds that the same idea had been previously patented. In 1867, trials were held testing Fusnot wrapped foil case cartridges against some made by the Belgian Army arsenal called Ecole De Pirotechnic, in Antwerp. The Fusnot cartridges, which came out best in the trials, used a Chassepot-type bullet.

Fusnot perfected the drawn case type in Belgium. His company produced pinfire, rifle & handgun ammunition using either a ‘CF’ or ‘FUSNOT’ hs. Known to have produced 11mm Mauser with " FUSNOT BRUXELLES". hs

Some (eg. J&R) say it became part of Cartoucherie Belge in 1888. But what really happened is that it became part of SOCIETE ANONYME POUR LE FABRICATION DES CARTOUCHES & PROJECTILE at Anderlecht, Brussels (aka : “Société Anonyme des Capsuleries d’Anderlecht”) sometime c1890.

[color=#BF0000]Fusnot became SOCIETE ANONYME POUR LE FABRICATION DES CARTOUCHES & PROJECTILE at Anderlecht, Brussels in 1882[/color]

HERE IS SOME INFO ON ANDERLECHT


Cartoucherie Anderlecht of Brussels, Belgium operated under a variety of company names from 1880-1914 but did not survive WW1.

[color=#BF0000]SOCIETE ANONYME POUR LE FABRICATION DES CARTOUCHES & PROJECTILE at Anderlecht, Brussels was founded in 1882. It was the old Fusnot[/color]

The company produced a variety of cartridges both handgun and rifle, for the military, civilian market and also for export.

A wide variety of hs styles were used which reflect the company titles, including:

“A” represents “Anderlecht”
“S.A” represents “Societe Anonyme des Cartoucheries” was adopted in 1890.
“C.A” represents “Cartoucherie Anderlecht” was adopted in 1893.
“SCB” represents “Societe anonyme des Cartoucheries, Bruxelles” dates 1895
"Ste ANONYME BRUXELLES" represents “Societe Anonyme des Cartoucheries, Anderlecht”

A 1900 document of S.A. Cartoucheries Russo-Belge describes itself as a May 1899 merger of Cartoucherie Belge, Cartoucherie d’Anderlecht, Cartoucherie Antoine, Cartoucherie Torbeck (Moscow) and Cartoucherie Inaroff (Moscow).

[color=#FF0000]Yes it is right.
Therefore Anderlecht finished in 1899[/color]

12.7x44R Remington exist with “S.A.” and “C.A.” hs which are clearly produced by the same company and are believed to be by Cartoucherie Anderlecht.

The “S.A.” hs is also known on 10.15x61R Jarmann.
A “A” is known on 6.5x8R Albini Adapter produced by SA in 1896.[/quote]

[color=#FF0000]Nota : Anderlecht had two subsidaries one in Vincennes, France and the other in St Etienne, France[/color]
[color=#FF0000]SOCIETE ANONYME POUR LE FABRICATION DES CARTOUCHES & PROJECTILE (in St Etienne) which is different from Cartoucherie Stephanoise in ST Etienne[/color]
[color=#FF0000]Anderlecht, Cureghem and CRB were part of SFM[/color]


#4

Thank you very much WBD and Jeanpierre !

Great info from you both gentleman !

What do you think about possibility that Serbia in 1882 ordered some quantity of ammo from Fusnot with his HS and later hi changed HS to “Ste ANONYME BRUXELLES” ?


#5

Thanks for the clarification JeanPierre.

DreamPhoto, that speculation is possible but it is likely that Fusnot had nothing to do with Cartoucherie d’Anderlecht as I suspect that he must have been old and retired or maybe had died by 1882. I am trying to find out when he lived ?