Some Interesting 9x19mm

Here are some 9x19s (US or made for US) that might be interesting.

Photo 1:

Left to Right:
Top Row:

  1. Expermental turned steel bullet for the experimental Hi-Standard pistol tested by the USAF in the 1950s. This is an early version of the bullet.

  2. Late sintered iron version of the experimental Hi-Standard cartridge.

  3. A tublear bullet with steel bullet body and a brass sleeve for the rifling. The production bullets were made by Guilford Engineering Associates of Guilford CT for the FBI SWAT Team and had a small white plastric plug in the tip to enhance feeding. This is probably an experimental load by Edgewood Arsenal. The open base of the bullet is closed by a flat steel pusher plug the diameter of the bullet. This falls away outside the muzzle. The bullet was designed by Edgewood Arsenal (at Aberdeen) by Abe Flato and the concept was tested in 45ACP, 20mm, 30mm and 105mm. In the larger calibers the bore of the bullet is large enough to swallow the oblique shockwave from the bullet lip so that the flow through the bore is supersonic and the bullet drag is greatly reduced. This effect doesn’t occur in the pistol bullets. One of the 105mm tests included putting recessed areas inside the bore and filling them with solid propellent (no oxidizer). The oblique shock wave would impinge on the propellent and ignite it and create a ramjet effect inside the bullet bore. The idea was to further increase projectile velocity and also sustain the velocity for greater range.

  4. A development of the tubular bullet with a very similar design but with a solid base. Since there was no supersonic flow through the bore of the 9mm tubular, there was no benefit to having the hole go all the way through so this round essentially has the pusher plate as part of the bullet. These round were also made for the FBI SWAT team, but the W-W headstamp indicates this load was probably one of the Edgewood Arsenal test rounds.

  5. The Alpha penetrating load with a sabot steel bullet by Lightfield Ammunition of Adelphia NJ in about 1989. The unheadstamped loads were reportedly produced for the US Government, but I have no idea who they were for, but they date from about 2000.

Left to Right:
Bottom Row:

  1. A 147gr subsonic by Rhino using a patented Genco bullet. The jacket is scored to split into 6 pieces. the deep hollow point is lined with a lead sheet but the core below is it compressed lead shot so the bullet fragments very rapidly.

  2. A green base Armour Piercing round by American Ballistics in Marietta GA. These rounds were also sold to DoD.

  3. A steel core AP round by National Cartridge Company, Atlanta GA. These date from the late 1980s. Though scarce and perhaps experimental, this is the most common bullet of this type. Another has a much longer thinner core. They also did a more common all steel bullet like #4 below and a similar bullet in solid brass.

  4. Another American Ballistics AP load of an earlier type than #2 above. This bullet may be gray teflon coated, but it is solid steel.

  5. Just to show that I am not totally absorbed by 9x19, here is a 380 Auto by American Ballistics with the 380 version of the AP bullet.

Photo 2:

Left to Right:

  1. Penetrating bullet produced by IMI on a US Air Force Contract in 1980s. The bullet was the Metallic Deep Penetrating bullet Type 1 designed by David Perrin at Aberdeen in the early 80s with a boattail and a deep base cavity. IMI couldn’t produce to the US spec for the bullet jacket thickness at the tip so they used a jacket that was too thin at the tip and added a second piece of jacket material inside the tip to reach the correct thickness. This “small” change destroyed the design intent of the Perrin bullet and the performance was terrible, but IMI got paid for the contract!

  2. Winchester LE Frangible-apparently special order since it comes in a generic white & black Wincester box withan end stickeer “ZGQ4338 9MM 90gr. Frangible”. Note the flying W on the bullet tip.

  3. A frangible for LE only by Kilgore Ammunition Products in Tennessee. Kilgore has been around from long before the Vietnam War making flare cartridges. We used their 76mm flare cartridges on the RF-4Cs for night recce. This is LE only and Kilgore makes no ammunition for commercial sale-I had a long conversation with their marketting chief. As far as I know this is the only small arms round with the KFA headstamp.

Those “Dick Manos” labels are an interesting blast from the past!
Nice rounds, Lew.
Is that Israeli penetrating round the same as the one with the 9MMS headstamp?


They were part of the same contract as the silver tip subsonic with the 9mmS headstamp, but these have the 9mmP headstamp for Penetrating!

Right, my mistake. I mixed the 2 rounds.