Some pin fire ID please


#1

Hi all,

Here I have some pin fire shells of which I would like to have some help.

The CF headstamped cases.
Are they made by Cartoucherie Francaise or Charles Fusnot??
Or somebody else?
The first CF has a hull with structure that is very similar to the old Brown eley cases??
Could this perhaps be of any help in ID of this case?
The last one has a dark brown paper hull!

The others are unknown to me.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

regards rené


#2

Hello Rene,

You are correct. CF, or CF with stars is Cartoucherie Français - Paris France.

Societe Manufacture St Etienne headstamp is Societe Manufacture D’Armes - St. Etienne, France

I am not sure about the others,

Regards,
Dave.


#3

René, the third headstamp is attributed to Cartoucherie Française, but this exact design was actually registered as a trademark by Émile Regnault in 1885, and later by SFM in 1905. Regards, Fede.


#4

12 Paris: No idea
C.F * * (12 in center): Could be Cartoucherie Francaise but not 100% sure (no proof)
cross CF cross 12 : no idea
star maltese cross star 12 : no idea

maltese cross CF maltese cross 12 : Fede is right, it has nothing to see with Cartoucherie Francaise but it is the trade mark of Emile Regnault in 1885 and later SFM in 1905

The last two hstps (Ste Mre d’Armes St Etienne 12 and 12 Societe Manufacturiere 12 St Etienne) are for:
Societe Manufacturiere d’Armes de St Etienne
This company has nothing to see with:

  • Manufacture d’Armes de Chasse et de Tir de St Etienne
  • Manufacture d’Armes de St Etienne,
  • Manufacture Francaise d’Armes & Cycles de St Etienne
  • Manufrance

JP


#5

Hi all,

Thanks for your help.

JP and fede specially thanks for pointing me in the right direction about that CF headstamp.
also about the info about the Societe Manufacturiere d’Armes de St etienne.

Can you perhaps tell me something more about them??

many thanks rené


#6

[quote=“polman”]Hi all,

Thanks for your help.

JP and fede specially thanks for pointing me in the right direction about that CF headstamp.
also about the info about the Societe Manufacturiere d’Armes de St etienne.

Can you perhaps tell me something more about them??

many thanks rené[/quote]

The Manufacture d’Armes de Chasse et de Tir de St Etienne was own by Martinier-Collin.

it was bought in November 1885 by Blanchon and Mimard to become Manufacture d’Armes de St Etienne, then in 1911 Manufacture Francaise d’Armes & Cycles de St Etienne (but the ctges show this hstp as early as 1903), then Manufrance later.

The Societe Manufacturiere d’Armes de St Etienne existed from before 1895 to after 1911

JP


#7

Thank you very much JP!!