Spanish Civil War Ammunition & Ordnance Photos Apparenty for Propaganda Purposes

A series of ammunition and ordnance photos, recently discussed on one of the Municion.org forums, from the Spanish Civil War that apparently were intended to be used for propaganda purposes.

Link to the Muncion.org page: http://www.municion.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4181&sid=d6c618a12e4d09bf8a9262d73aa8ee02

Links to the 2 sets of photographs:


Below are some of the photographs, some of which I have added text in red and some have had the contrast -brightness adjusted. Some of the photographs had information written on the back, in which case I have included the image of the back of the photograph.

Information on the back, which I believe implies the bullets are "explosive"

Related photos


Back of photo, again implying the bullet is "explosive"

French 8mm Lebel


Back of photo

37mm rounds on a clip


Back of the photo, the information indicates these are “5cm” (50mm) rounds from North America


The 37mm rounds on a clip plus 2 different Russian 45x310mmR rounds
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8mm Lebel from Western Cartridge Co. in boxes in shipping crate

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Information on the back of the photo
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Slightly enlarged view


Enlarged view of the crates

7x57mm (?) with split bullet

Ammunition crate from Mexico


Information on back of photo


Information on back of photo

Enlarged view


Enlarged view, most of the labels I believe say "CARTOUCHES 7 m/m S"


Information on back of the photo, appears to list these as Russian 7.44cm(?)

Translations, corrections, comments are most welcomed.

Brian

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Really cool Stuff ! THANKS Brian

Fascinating stuff! The aviation buff in me was particularly interested in the data plate from Klimov M100 engine number 585, accepted on 13 August 1936. This engine was most likely fitted to a Tupolev SB bomber that was shot down or otherwise came to grief over Nationalist territory early in the war. Jack

Brian thanks a lot!

Is that one image showing 1pdr US Navy cartridges on a clip???

“Explosive” as used in some of the photos might be better translated as “expanding” or the uninformed news media “Dum-Dum” bullets.

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Hi Alex, this clip was used in a Browning 37 mm aircraft gun purchased by Spain before the war.

Regards,

Fede

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Fede, this sounds interesting! Is there more info on the gun and a designation maybe?
And which aircraft was the gun used in?

Alex, forget my previous post; it is a clip of 1 Pdr (37x137R) cartridges for the McClean gun made by PEMCo. These were WW1 Russian contract guns later sold to Spain.

Regards,

Fede

Here is an image of the clip and gun feed:

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Ah, good! I thought already about the McLean and wondered what aircraft gun that could have been.
First time is see a McLean clip!

I think Finland kept some of these guns in 1917.

These boxes contain unheadstamped cartridges with CNCS jacketed bullet and black primer sealant. There is also a companion French language box in 7.9x57 with cartridges headstamped “DWM L J L” and chargers marked “A37”.

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Catching up on older posts again, this is fascinating!
This may not be quite right, but…
“Explosive bullets caught in the red on the Cantabrian Sea boat”.
“… caught in the red…”, = caught red handed?
What would a “Cantabrian Sea boat” be?

Maybe “rojos” are “progressives” who were bringing ammo inside the country, north of Spain, while everyone was fighting down south? And maybe these hunting rounds are not really explosive, just expanding so well that they looked like they were exploding?

I will try to explain some terms used during the Spanish Civil War by both sides.
The term “rojos (reds)” was used by the rebel side to define those of the republican side.
They used the term “fascistas (fascist)” to define the rebel or National side.
The ship “Mar Cantabrico (Cantabrian Sea)” was a cargo ship chartered by the republican government to bring war material from the United States and was intercepted by warships of the rebel fleet before reaching the Republican port.

Ximo.

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Thank you for that explanation, greatly appreciated!

Ximo,
I see that these old documents are dated “937” for the year 1937, just like Italians dates. Is it still used, this skipping of “1” in front of “937”. And do you know the origins of this 3 digit dating for a 4 digit year?

Vlad: In Italian and Spanish the date 1937 is said as “one thousand nine hundred and thirty seven” so there’s a natural tendency to knock off the free standing “one thousand” at the front, particularly if you are in a hurry or crowded for space. Jack

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Yes, in Russian too, but I’ve never seen anyone writing “937” instead of “1937” in Russia".

As did Portugal; and Turkey ( after 1929).
There are others as well, but I have not come across doc. Evidence as yet.
Doc AV

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Russia’s (Czarist) 3-digit years were all before 1917 and only by Lugansk (I saw 900-917).
Anybody with other years or manufacturers?

The last country to use the last 3 digits of a year I saw was Sudan in 2011 with “011”.

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