Super Vel box in .45 ACP from the sixties


#1

A box of Super Vel cartridges in .45 ACP, with 190 grain JHP bullet. I don’t know if this was the bullet originally being nicknamed “flying ashtray”. The box, I think, must be from the '60s, but I may be wrong.

Note that the “H & H CARTRIDGE CORP.” label on the bottom is pasted over the orignal box.


#2

Nice box Schneider.

If memory serves me, it was gun scribe Dean Grennell that nicknamed the Speer .45ACP 200gr JHP the “Flying Ashtray”. It was a very popular law enforcement duty and self-defense load back in it’s day (that was IFyou could get your pistol to properly feed and function with the Flying Ashtray).


#3

Interesting headstamp with the two diamonds on it. Does anyone know who made the cases?

Cheers,

Lew


#4

Leon - your memory serves you right on both counts. The “Flying Ashtray” was the Speer 200
Grain Hollowpoint, and it was a real jammer. The only load I ever shot in my Colt Commander, all throated,
etc., was that load.

Lew - I checked all my files where I might have had the information on that “Diamond” headstamp from
Super Vel, and had nothing on it, other that from GK whose sheet justs says a "contract headstamp."
It was one of the last, perhaps THE last, that they used.

I could have sworn that someone in IAA did a study of the Super Vel Headstamps. I thought it was
John Guenther, who did one on Smith and Wesson, but I could not find anything in the IAA
Journal Index for Super Vel that identified the case maker.

Sorry about that.

John Moss


#5

[quote=“Lew”]Interesting headstamp with the two diamonds on it. Does anyone know who made the cases?

Cheers,

Lew[/quote]

in Otto Witt’s book Otto’s 38s vol. 2, under Super Vel with the diamonds on the h/s, it states that the cases were made by Federal for PFC Cartridge Co., Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin.


#6

Leon, Great Job, Lad! I always lecture that books are valuable even if on a subject you don’t collect,
because there is so much over-lap in information, such as on headstamps. Then, I never even thought
to check Ot’s book. You’re a born detective, my friend!

John Moss


#7

This post sparks a recollection and I went thru my stash of boxes. Found this one. Wish it didn’t have the stickers on it.

I recall buying these in the early 1970’s.


#8

Here’s a Super Vel brochure.


The box looks a lot like yours. It’s dated December 1977. It’s titled “Presenting Super Vel”. Is that when they started? I seem to remember a thread on this some time ago but I’m not sure it was on this forum. To bad you can’t see the headstamps.

Paul


#9

I just found another add for Super Vel. It is their second annual clearance sale.

It’s dated Oct. 23 1978. It states all cases have Super Vel headstamps.

Paul