Thomson Brandt Darts

Does anyone have examples of the darts -penetrators- used in French 68 and 100 mm multi projectile rockets made by Thomson Brandt? Catalogs mention variants in 9, 13.5 and 24 mm.

Found a picture of the 24 mm variant in a catalog from the early 80’s:

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Great!
I have only “general” advertisements on them not showing single darts and the little seen in a fuzzy cutaway diagram is full caliber darts.

hello
it’s the same type of ammunition than “multidart” rocket warhead ?
i see a picture of 68mm rocket

Yes, “Multidart” was the overall name of these.

Here the little I have, obviously different from Fede’s.

68mm

100mm

thank for your response
apparently the projectile work with kinetic energy ,without explosive ,i learn one thing today

Yes, there is also a 2.75 inch rocket with a solid (if I recall it correctly) kinetic energy penetrator for the same purpose.
I assume the AP capability there is larger than with the lighter darts here.

Edit:
The 2.75 inch AP is made by Magellan Aerospace (Canada) and is the WAU-5001/B KEP 10lb warhead with 8lb tungsten alloy (no carbide it seems) penetrator.

And there is a “GPF” General Purpose Flechette with 160 tungsten alloy flechettes of 20 gram EA (130mm long) which is claimed to be for use against light to medium armor.

Versions designated AMV and ABL are loaded with 9 mm and 13,5 mm darts, respectively.

Some background information for those of us who are not familiar with Thomson-Brandt.

Thomson-Brandt Armements

The following are Google translations from French to English.

ABL = Anti-Blindés Légers = Lightweight Anti-Armor

TBA Multi-Dart 100 ABL

  1. TBA
  • TBA Multi-Dart 100 ABL

  • Type : Unguided Rocket

  • Manufacturer : TBA country flag

  • Date : 1983

  • Version of : TBA 100

Historical

The ABL (Lightweight Anti-Armor) version uses 36 darts of 190 g (6.7 oz), 270 mm (10.63 in) long and 13.5 mm (0.53 in) in diameter. They are capable of drilling up to 15 mm (0.59 in) of shielding.

Characteristics

  • Charge : HE with indenter
  • Guidance : No guidance
  • Rocket launcher : TBA LR F3 100.6 , Matra RL C6 , TBA LR F3 100.4
  • Length : 2,649 mm (104 in)
  • Diameter : 102.8 mm (4.05 in)
  • Wingspan : 700 mm (28 in)
  • Weight : 38.9 kg (85.76 lbs)

Performances

  • Maximum range : 4 km (2.49 mi, 2.16 nm)

Motorization

  • Engine : solid fuel rocket engine Type 100 F.1

AMV = Anti-Mouvements Véhiculés = Anti-Movements Vehicles

TBA Multi-Dart 100 AMV

  1. TBA
  • TBA Multi-Dart 100 AMV

  • Type : Unguided Rocket

  • Manufacturer : TBA country flag

  • Date : 1983

  • Version of : TBA 100

  • Historical

Historical

The AMV version (Anti-Movements Vehicles) uses 192 darts of 35 g (1.23 oz), long 132 mm (5.2 in) and 9 mm (0.35 in) in diameter. They are capable of drilling up to 8 mm (0.315 in) of shielding.

Characteristics

  • Charge : HE with indenter
  • Guidance : No guidance
  • Rocket launcher : TBA LR F3 100.6 , Matra RL C6 , TBA LR F3 100.4
  • Length : 2,649 mm (104 in)
  • Diameter : 102.8 mm (4.05 in)
  • Wingspan : 700 mm (28 in)
  • Weight : 38.4 kg (84.658 lbs)

Performances

  • Maximum range : 4 km (2.49 mi, 2.16 nm)

Motorization

  • Engine : solid fuel rocket engine Type 100 F.1

TBA Multi-Dart 100 AB 24

  1. TBA
  • TBA Multi-Dart 100 AB 24

  • Type : Unguided Rocket

  • Manufacturer : TBA country flag

  • Date : 1983

  • Version of : TBA 100

  • Historical

Historical

Like the SNEB 68, the TBA 100 experienced a second youth in the form of the Multi-Dart 100. If the engine remains unchanged, the military charge takes the form of several darts.
The AB 24 version uses 6 darts of 1,650 g (58.2 oz), 548 mm (21.57 in) long and 24 mm (0.94 in) diameter. They are capable of drilling up to 80 mm (3.15 in) of shielding.

Characteristics

  • Charge : HE with indenter
  • Guidance : No guidance
  • Rocket launcher : TBA LR F3 100.6 , Matra RL C6 , TBA LR F3 100.4
  • Length : 2,649 mm (104 in)
  • Diameter : 102.8 mm (4.05 in)
  • Wingspan : 700 mm (28 in)
  • Weight : 39.9 kg (87.965 lbs)

Performances

  • Maximum range : 4 km (2.49 mi, 2.16 nm)

Motorization

  • Engine : solid fuel rocket engine Type 100 F.1

It seems there is also a 2.75" Multidart warhead.
Anybody with info on these?

I think I’ve got something on the 2.75, but not at work with me.

Jeff great image!
Coud you show the warhead from the other side too?

When you’ll find more on it in your files let us know.

Great picture Jeff, thanks for sharing. This is the 68 mm ABL load with 13.5 mm darts.

Fede, by now I think there exists a 70mm (2.75-inch) version. Understandable given the wide use of the 2.75-inch system.

This 2.75’’ is a Belgian design by FZ Thales (ex-Les Forges de Zeebrugge).

Fede, any idea why it says “Multidart”? I thought this would some sort of brand name / copy right protected what so ever legal issue?

Edit:
Sadly I can not locate any propper FZ Thales or the older Les Forges catalogs…

hello
dart = flechette (in french)

I think this was not in question.
It is about the “Multidart” and trademarks etc.

Alex, sorry, I didn’t take that photo, it was forwarded to me while I was researching flechettes. No idea what the other side looks like.