To identify two tracers bullets from .303 British


#1

Would you please help me to identify two tracer bullets from .303 british cartridge.
The first unknown bullet is presented in the first picture.

Bullet has a cupro-nickel envelope, 35.5 mm. long and has a washer at the bottom part. Bullet tip has a remnants of white colour coding. At first I thought it is G Mk II, but as far as I know G Mk II is longer ( 36 mm ) , and has no colour coding at the tip.
The comparison with G Mk II you can see at second picture

The second unknown bullet is presented in following picture.

Bullet has a cupro-nickel envelope, 36.5 mm. long and has a washer at the bottom part. Based on rounded shape of the bottom I thought it is Mk VI Canadian Pattern . But as far as I know, Canadian tracers did not have washers. Also, the type of knurled cannelure differs from Canadian Mk VI. The comparison with Canadian G Mk VI you can see in fourth picture.

I would appreciate any information about mentioned above two tracers.


#2

tr3080,

Hope the following is of some help-

.303 tracer cutaways by wolfganggross: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15402

Tony Edwards quote from: Canadian 303 tracer, bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/7 … 303+tracer

“Canadian GII bullets should be to the standard British spec, i.e. weight around the 154 grain mark and with a brass washer at the base (although not all British ones did). Canada also made the GI for longer than we did but that generally does not have the washer.”


#3

White tip G IV

as to differences between british and Canadian Made Tracers, ???

Doc AV


#4

bdgreen,
Thanks a lot for links. Very informative. I have found a lot of new information about .303 bullets
Based on comparision with cut-aways I can assume that my first unknown bullet is G Mk V - night tracer dark ignition, 500 yds. It has gray (white) tip and flat-base as on the picture.
The second bullet is still question-mark for me. It has noticable round-shapre base which is not typically for flat-based tracers produced in Britain.

DocAV,
Not sure I have understud your question correct.
My current knowledge about differencies between British and Canadian Made Tracers is like this
G Mk II British made
no colour code for bullet tip, head stamp K4 1942 GII, Red primer annulus
G Mk II Canadian made
red bullet tip marking, head stamp 1942 DI Z, and I have no idea about primer annulus marking
G Mk IV British made
white bullet tip, headstamp like R/I\L 1941 GIV, Red primer annulus
G Mk IV Canadian made
white bullet tip, headstamp:1942 DC GIV, and I have no idea about primer annulus marking


#5

You answered the question perfectly.

British ( and Aussie, etc, and Canadian Berdan cases) all used the standard Red annulus for Tracer (G) loads. But as far as DI is concerned, I have not noticed a Red annulus on the Boxer Primers.

The White Point was to distinguish the GIV from the GII; The use of a red tip on the Canadian made Tracers was an “American” thing. Probably because they didn’t use a red annulus on the GII;

Doc AV