Training rounds


#1

Here are some training rounds.

  1. 223 :
    From left to right:
    White case, Rim Fire primer
    Coppered case, Center fire primer
    White case, Center Fire primer

  2. 9 para:
    From left to right :
    White case, Center Fire primer
    Light coppered case, Center Fire primer
    Coppered case , Center Fire primer

Could you please explain me the difference between all these ctges?
Which one in each caliber is the scarcest ?
thanks


#2

Have a look here utmunitions.com/


#3

From the website,

  1. the 9 para I have are Leer ctges.
    But it doesn’t explain the difference between 3 ctges I have
  2. the 223 I have are either:
    Leer or silent or battlefield blank.
    But it doesn’t tell difference between RF and CF
    JP

#4

O.K. The dummy is back, and admitting to total ignorance again. What is a “leer” cartridge?

John Moss


#5

John


#6

A picture is worth a thousand words, or in this case, four words. Thanks Ray. Now all I have to do is find specimens of the 9mm Leer. I have the die marker cartridges in a fair assortment, but not the “LEER.”

John M.


#7

John–You need to look for a 9mm LERR, not LEER.


#8

hello !
I still didn’t understand the difference between the CF and the RF ones.
JP


#9

I think the RF ones are designed so you have to replace the weapon’s bolt with a “training” bolt made from aluminium to fire them, the recoil spring also has to be replaced with a lighter one as far as I know.

The RF primer and firing pin prevent a full powered round from being discharged if it was accidentally chambered, which the lighter recoil spring and aluminium bolt could not handle. It also prevents the danger of a full powered round being discharged in a training area intended for low powered ammunition.

Here is a link the the replacement bolt section on the site, there is also some onformation about the range of training ammuniton they manufacture.

http://www.utmunitions.com/HTML/conversionkits.html

Interestingly, it appears UTM products are manufactured in the UK.


#10

They are a UK business but the cartridges are made elsewhere (cheaper labour),


#11

Hi Falcon !
so it means there are two kinds of ammo :
the RF ones to use with a conversion
the CF ones to use directly in the gun .

Are you sure of that ???

JP