Just returned from the Czech meeting in Stoky and a visit with two of the collectors in and near Bratislava. Great time in Stoky. I attended my first meeting there in 2002 and have only missed one year since. Normally I attend the Fall meeting which is usually within a week of the ECRA meeting. There is also a Spring meeting and this is my first year to attend in the Spring.
The actual meeting is 9AM to 12AM on the Saturday morning, but people begin arriving on Friday about noon and like SLICS, there is a lot of activity before everyone retires on Friday evening. Most people speak Czech/Slovak and German. English is not heard, but everybody is very helpful and cartridge trades get made. A lot of people who I consider friends.
Below are some of the 9x19mm I’d like to share with you;
–IVI paintball, but what is the significance of the black finish on the primer???
–A brass TPZ KOPP load. Most often this style headstamp is seen on Steel cases, but with a slightly different arrangement. The steel cases are either copperwashed or lacquered and the TPZ KOPP is rightside up.
–A dummy made by PS. Reportedly only about 100 made
–Current production for the Austrian Police
–Nickel plated case proof by S&B. very light hst “S&B @ 9mm LUGER@”. Label below
–Libra/Snail proof with SN for Snail. I have only seen this headstamp on proof loads although it is illustrated on other loads in a Libra catalog from some years ago. Knurled rim is unusual on Czech/Slovak proof loads.
–MMS proof load. Label below:
–Another S&B proofload
It seems possible based on the labels that all these proof load were made in the same facility using various cases. all but the one on far right were 100 rds packed loose in a sealed plastic bag with the label inside.
–Rubber bullet load intended to fire from a standard 9mm pistol. The same headstamp occurs on an extended case blank with a 6 flute crimp.
–HP load with a solid copper bullet
–Experimental Frangible bullet
–Polica load for URNA which, as I understand is a Slovak or Czech Police organization. perhaps another Forum member like EOD could correct me here.
These last two are called “Forensic” cartridges. Apparently they contain Galium oxide or gadolinium in tiny amounts in the powder. This provides a forensic trace apparently. The cartridges look very ordinary and I do not understand how this forensic marker is used. Perhaps one of our forum could provide some insight.
Overall a very good meeting. Lots of other cute stuff. I saw a 7.62x39mm with no headstamp and a pale gray aluminum case. Really cute item. A Hagler Gerlich round sold (I think I got that right). Anyway, it was a very impressive cartridge. By noon on Saturday, there were a lot of smiles as people left the meeting. I also picked up a few interesting boxes and a few other odds and ends. Time well spent. Also managed to find time to enjoy a number of the excellent Czech beers.
The visit in Bratislava was also excellent. Great hospitality, good food and a bit of wine, beer and whiskey to help the conversation flow. I saw some stunningly good cartridges, both 9mm and other calibers in the collections. Kept my cellphone camera busy trying to capture all the new (to me) items. Saw one of the Gray Steel 9 mm cylindrical cartridge" for the experimental ZB 47 smg made by Zbrojovka Brno mentioned in thread http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15831. I have the red lacq steel case and the brass case rounds but not the gray steel. Had hoped to find a J Roth 9mm Para. There are a few known and documented another one that is in Slovakia, but nothing to buy or trade—maybe next year!
Overall a lot of fun and very educational!