UK 7.62 NATO experimental tracers


#1

In response to Pepper’s earlier question, the best source on UK 7.62 NATO experimental tracers is found in


#2

Dave,
If you don’t already have it you need a copy of the excellent Conjay Collectors Ammunition catalogue no.10. This catalogue is one of a series produced by Conjay’s and this particular issue is titled ‘Military pre-NATO, NATO, post-NATO & experimental cartridges’. In it I have found details of about 150 variants of UK experimental tracers with very good descriptive details. On the assumption you haven’t got this booklet - and I don’t know whether Conjay’s are still in business for you to get a copy - I will happily scan and post the relevant pages on this forum. Having said that, can anybody advise how I stand with regards to copyright legislation? Will I be risking Conjay’s wrath if I copy and post a part of their catalogue?
Jim


#3

Dave,
A scan of my experimental UK tracers - from (L) to ®


  1. 7.62mm NATO Dark Ignition Tracer. 1959 Kynoch exp. loaded with 36.5gr of P34135.
  2. 7.62mm NATO Dark Ignition Tracer. 1959 Kynoch exp. loaded with 38.5gr of P34135.
  3. 7.62mm Tracer L5A2. Kynoch bright ignition using L5A1 case.
    4,5&6. My three examples of the many varieties of the 1968/69 Tracer Trial series - if only because they are seriously attractive cartridges!

Jim


#4

Below is a somewhat squashed list of some British 7.62s sold off in Australia last year. I think these originally came from Peter Labbett.
I purchased a very large quantity of these and am still cataloging these at the moment. This list may answer a couple of questions…maybe.
Sorry its not very readable as I cut and pasted out of an excel document.

ID Calibre Type Headstamp Notes Case Bullet Tip Col Primer Annulus Cond $
1 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 red splotch on base BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
2 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 blue splotch BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
3 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 red / 1 green BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
4 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 purple / 1 green BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
5 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 green / 1 orange BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
6 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 red / 1 orange BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
7 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 1 red / 1 blue BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
8 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 2 green BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
9 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 2 purple BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
10 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 3 orange BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
11 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 3 green / 1 blue BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
12 7.62x51 Tracer RG 68 L5A3 + 4 green BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Red/Purple Brass Red VG $25.00
13 7.62x51 Primer test ? + RG 80 1 red BRASS CJ none Brass Red VG $20.00
14 7.62x51 Primer test ? + RG 80 2 red BRASS CJ none Brass Red VG $20.00
15 7.62x51 Primer test ? + RG 80 3 red BRASS CJ none Brass Red VG $20.00
16 7.62x51 Primer test ? + RG 80 1 green BRASS CJ none Brass Red VG $20.00
17 7.62x51 Primer test ? + RG 80 4 green BRASS CJ none Brass Red VG $20.00
18 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Black splash Brass Red good $20.00
19 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Dk blue splash Brass Red good $20.00
20 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Brown splash Brass Red good $20.00
21 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Lt green splash Brass Red good $20.00
22 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Orange splash Brass Red good $20.00
23 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Pink splash Brass Red good $20.00
24 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Tracer brilliance tests BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Lt violet splash Brass Red good $20.00
25 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 66 L5A3 BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Lt violet splash Brass none good $20.00
26 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 66 L5A3 BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL White splash Brass none good $20.00
27 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI Long Range BRASS 4 caliber ogive Yellow Brass Red VG $25.00
28 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI Long Range BRASS 4 caliber ogive pink / blue Brass Red VG $25.00
29 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI Long Range BRASS 4 caliber ogive red / green Brass Red VG $25.00
30 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI Long Range BRASS 4 caliber ogive mouve / red Brass Red VG $25.00
31 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Dk blue splash Brass Purple good $20.00
32 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Lt blue splash Brass Purple good $20.00
33 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Orange splash Brass Purple good $20.00
34 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Pink splash Brass Purple good $20.00
35 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL red splash Brass Purple good $20.00
36 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 68 L2A2 + L5A3 tests Dim trace BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL White splash Brass Purple good $20.00
37 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI dark ign long range BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Mouve Brass Red VG $20.00
38 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer BRASS CJ Brown Brass Red VG $20.00
39 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer BRASS CJ Grey Brass Red VG $20.00
40 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer BRASS CJ Lt blue Brass Red VG $20.00
41 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 67 L5A3 + dark ign long range BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL red splash Brass none VG $20.00
42 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 67 L5A3 + dark ign long range BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL Black Brass Red good $15.00
43 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 63 L5A3 dark ign long range, red base, 44.9gr ball powder BS25422 BRASS, red base 4 caliber ogive Lt blue 2% red red fair $15.00
44 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 RG 55 7.62 L2A2 exp tracer BRASS CJ Violet Brass Red fair $15.00
45 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 RG 57 L2A2 + exp tracer BRASS 4 caliber ogive red Brass Red good $30.00
46 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 RG 66 L5A3 + exp tracer, XL.10.E2 BRASS 4 caliber ogive Violet Brass Red fair $15.00
47 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 RG 66 L5A3 + exp trace, XL.10.E2, Red base stripe BRASS 4 caliber ogive Violet Brass Red fair $15.00
48 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 61 L2A2 + dark ign long range. Exp Cont Z5024 Brass 4 caliber ogive dk blue Brass none VG $25.00
49 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K59 L5A1 Nato Bright Ign, Red base stripe BRASS CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red fair $15.00
50 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K59 L5A1 Nato Bright Ign Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red VG $25.00
51 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red VG $30.00
52 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 63 L5A3 dark ign Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red good $20.00
53 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 65 L5A3 dark ign Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red good $20.00
54 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer Brass CJ Lt blue / pink Brass Red VG $25.00
55 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer Brass CJ red / Lt blue Brass Red VG $25.00
56 7.62x51 Tracer L5AI K 61 L5AI exp tracer Brass CJ Dk / Lt Blue Brass Red VG $25.00
57 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 62 L5A3 dim to 60m then bright to 1000m Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red VG $10.00
58 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Brass CJ, 1 KNURL none Brass Red good $10.00
59 7.62x51 Tracer L5A3 K 69 L5A3 + Brass CJ, 1 KNURL red Brass Red good $10.00


#5

I thought show you the box of the
many varieties of the 1968/69 Tracer Trial series .


#6

OMG! That is a thing of beauty!
That would look right at home in my collection :)
Very nice packet gyrojet, Im extremely jealous.


#7

There are probably few other times where so many different colour markings are found in one box. What do they all mean?


#8

I wouldn’t have thought that the box was issued with all of those particular rounds in it. I’m not suggesting for one moment it’s not a genuine box and I’m sure that it is. But I suspect the thirty rounds it contained when issued would have been identically marked and probably, because of the felt pen mark at the bottom left corner of the box, all had a base marking of 3 x purple and 1 x green splashes.
Jim


#9

These where sold I think 10 years ago or so, in fact there are at that time 42 different combinatons available. Have also an original box which hold original the one with a single green stripe. Wishes, Jan.


#10

This is great information even if we still don’t know what the color codes mean - maybe one day!

Gyrojet - while most of the color combinations are obvious, a few are difficult to make out - please could you either post or pm me what each of the color combination are.

Jan - Do you have any further information on all the color combinations and please could you post a picture of the box you have.

Thanks

Dave S


#11

adjectives escape me…I need to print this thread out and get my highlighter out…I only have 32 variations, only three with base stripes…only one with a single base “dot”…Gyro…your box makes me nuts !!!

Question…how, or what, is the best way to describe the “round ogive” verses the “sharper” ogive…

are there only two profiles?

and do we simplify life and call them “round” and “sharp” ogives ?


#12

Yes Jan you are right 42 different combinations
I found the other 12 cartridges also…

regards
gyrojet


#13

Do all 42 cartridges have the same color tip marking ?

(either way, wow, that is an interesting collection of trials)

people have always kidded me about stealing their wife’s nail polish and making up some collectables for me…color tipped rounds…now you only need a Magic Marker to make me crazy!


#14

Somebody, PLEASE, wipe Pepper’s chin! That is an unbelievable collection/selection.


#15

sorry wrong photo[/img]
Mine are the same as gyrojet solt at the same international meeting of the ECRA.
Pepper the cartridges shown in this box have all the same tip color and the same ogive. I have to dig deep in my documentation, somewhere I must have an English salelist of collector ctg which have a long list of experimental tracers. Let you know when I find them. Wishes, Jan.


#16


#17

On the official price list of collector cartidges of “Conjay collectors ammunition company ltd.” list 10 “military pre-nato, nato & post-nato & experimental cartridges”. Most of it say only what you can find long list of trials, sometimes there is extra info but in case of the serie with the headsplashes it say only Trials 1968-9. P. Labbett “The development of 7.62mm x 51 Ammunition in Britain 1953 - 1997” gives good info on issued ammo but not “in deep” on the trials.
Wishes, Jan.


#18

42 different color combinations UK tracers

green
green purple (with long stripes)
green red
green green (with short tripes)
green green (with long tripes)
green green green
green green green green
green green green purple
green green green red
green green green black
green green purple purple
green green black black
green green red
green green red red

red
red red
red red green
red red black
red red red
red red red red
red red red black
red red red green
red red purple purple

purple
purple over black !!!
purple red
purple purple green
purple purple purple
purple purple purple green
purple purple purple purple
purple purple red

black
black red
black black
black black black
black black black black
black black green
black black black red

orange
orange orange
orange purple (with long stripes)
orange black