Unidentified israeli ammo


#1

Hello, there!
A cousin of mine presented me this cartridge 23 years ago, as I was on vacation in Israel:

Could anyone tell me which weapon it is for?
Thanks in advance!
Phil


#2

It looks in the pictures like a 7.62 x 51 NATO round - factory dummy by the lack of a primer seal and the very “factory-looking” hole in the primer. I think at the time the primary arms Israel was using, in that caliber, were a couple of variations of the FN-FAL (Fucil Automatique Legere - Light Automatic Rifle), and the FN General Purpose Light Machinegun.

Jon Cohen would be far more qualified than I to verify that or perhaps add to the list. Israel also used a variety of Mauser K98 style rifles converted to 7.62 x 51. I have one on a Czech vz. 24 action, but pretty much in the form of the German K98k as to the hardware on it. Good shooting Mauser! I am not sure if they were still using those as late as 1975 though.


#3

As late as the war of October 1973, the IDF still had in service; K98 Mausers (both standard and sniper rifles), FALs, M1919 Brownings, and FN Mag58s in 7.62x51. M-14/21s were also in use by some sniper units, and M-14s by the Civil Guard. By the start of my IDF service in 1985, the Mausers were gone and a few FALs might have been found in the reserves, leaving M-14/21s, M1919s, and Mag58s.


#4

Thank you JohnMoss!
I realize that I forgot to say that this cartridge came from a small piece of machine gun belt (3 or 4 cartridges).
There is no hole in the primer: it’s just a reflection of my camera lens! ;-) This cartridge is intact and unfired.


#5

jonnyc, thanks a lot for these very interesting informations about the chronology of individual weapons in Tsahal!


#6

It does look very polished.


#7

You’re right, jonnyc, this cartridge is polished because I use to clean it some times a year to keep it shiny (it’s displayed in my living room). That’s why, year after year, the metal turned polished!..


#8

Hi, there! Little “up” for my topic, because I’m still searching for which machine gun(s) this cartridge is for.
Thanks in advance!


#9

It could have been used in any of the 7.62x51 weapons listed above, but the belt/links would limit it to an FN Mag58 or Browning 1919.


#10

Thank you very much, jonnyc! It’s great to know this, after so many years!