If in Japan or China, then they could be some old inerted stage loads for film or maybe a museum display, whereby the bullets are pulled, wood rods or something inserted, and then bullets are reseated to a not quite correct depth, and then chromed or nickeled by the looks of it?
If real cases and bullets, you haven’t solved the origin or lack of base markings.
it’s found by a local digger in Jilin, other arisaka cases he found are normal version, but this one is different
As I know the army there were using 6.5/7.9 bullets at that time
These bullets wew found by a local digger,he had pulled out the bullet to clean up powder in the cases
It’s found by a local digger in China，bullets were removed to clean up powder. Other arsaka case he found are normal version.
Enlarged portion of the first photo posted by yuuki.
Note the mark circled in blue, to me it looks like the remnants of a headstamp not just a random mark in the brass
looks like“山” in Chinese.
What would that mean?
Shan = Mountain
“山”means mountain in both Japanese and Chinese
I guess the next question would be "Does “Mountain” have any ammunition context, such as part of the name of an arsenal?
I agree, by the way, that while most of the marks evident on the heads of the cartridges shown do not seem to be anything more than just scars (with, of course, the exception of the quite uniform circle between the edge of the primer and the outside edge of the head), that :“mountain” marking appears to be an actual character stamped on the head.
Thank you, Brian, Hans and Yuuki.
Shanxi: Western Mountains.
Province west of Biejing, in Northern China.
Shan Xi Arsenal, Taiyuan City.
Captured by Japanese during Sino- Japanese war.
Arsenal was a modern plant installed by the local warlord before the 1937 war, with modern equipment. Japan held onto this area right through the War, producing ammo (6.5) for their own forces.
Ref: Battle of Taiyuan (Wiki)
Ref: Shanxi Arsenal in Taiyuan.
Doc - thank you. Then “Mountain” was actually part of the Factory name, “Shan Xi.” Brian, good eye!!!
I have seen rounds of 6.5 Japanese made in China with the various primer crimp styles shown by Magnum. That headstamp with the Stars of David (I know that it is just a Geometric Symbol not always associated with Judea and Israel) blew my mind. Have never seen anything quite like that on a Chinese cartridge, and at one time, I had many, many Chinese 7.9 x 57 rounds, plus a little assortment in my dupes of Chinese 6.5 Japanese caliber.
Good pictures, by the way.
Thanks everyone! Out of my field (now), but not out of my interest, or likely that of most any military ammunition collector. Good info!
I wish you guys in China could come to some of the US cartridge shows…you would leave with much less brass and lots more “gold”!
Really？Can’t wait to be there！
As some of you know, I like Chinese ammo from this period. These are some great items that are not even in the Woodin collection. If Bill was still with us he would be busy trying to make contacts to obtain these items. He was always fascinated by Chinese ammunition.
Thanks to you all for a great topic!
I saw such an arisaka.