Unknown cartridge and unknow headstamp on 7.92 mauser


#1

I have found these 2 cartridges and noticed the weird shape of the left one can someone tell me what it is and what weapon uses it? and I would also like to know what the headstamps mean, I have tried looking them up but with no results.

[edit] reupload


#2

The round on the left is a pretty common 8mm Lebel round, used in a number of French rifles and machine-guns, from about 1886 to at least the 1950s. Yours was made in 1934.


#3

makes sense with the 81mm french mortar shells I found at the same location, a bit weird that they were found in the netherlands. must have been taken by the germans during ww2.


#4

I would like to look at that 7.9 headstamp for you, but unfortunately, no pictures appear with your entry on my computer screen - only a box with a red “X” in the corner. I tried to bring the pictures up to no avail.

This comes up from time to time and not being able to post a picture myself - too computer stupid, or perhaps just plain stupid - so I don’t understand why it happens. I just write ti off as one more way for this @#&% computer to annoy me.

Maybe someone could just write out the headstamp on this thread?


#5

i’ll try describing it. across the middle it says 1-J9 and when you rotate it 90 degrees it says SF-I. with the “-” being the percussion cap(or what it is called I had to look it up in a dictonary) so theres four sets of numbers/letters equally divided over the bottom.

ill even make a drawing :D

… J9
FS O I (with the J9 and the 1 rotated 90 degrees to left and O being the percussion cap)
… 1

(dots had to be there for drawing to work)

[edit] upon closer inspection I noticed the bullet has black paint on it, the whole bulet.


#6

Could you please repost the photos?

Lew


#7

Cannot see the pictures and have tried 3 different browsers.Pictures are worth a thousand words.

joe


#8

I reuploaded the images and changed the links


#9

YEA! Pictures!

Can see them now, thanks.

Joe


#10

8mm lebel as said before used in Lebel or Berthier, the second one is also a french cartridge, a 7,5x54 made by SF (= SFM) in first quarter of 1939, used in MAS 36 or FM 24/29

Domi


#11

oops so it wasnt a mauser… fail


#12

is there still someone who can explain why the bullet is painted black on the 7.5x54?
and thanks alot guys for helping me out!!


#13

I believe a blackened 7.5 French bullet signifies a Heavy Ball loading.


#14

wooo research done :D thanks guys!!


#15

Not so strange to find these cartridges in the Netherlands. In 1940 the French came to parts of the province of Noord-Brabant and the province of Zeeland to help defend it. During the war the Germans used a lot of French (and belgian) weapons in the Dutch coastal defences. In some areas you can find more French and Belgian cartridges than German cartridges.


#16

my grandmother said they came from a german ammo depot wich was situated in our front yard. there was also some kind of AA emplacement there but i cant find any record of what type of AA it was, so thats my next objective to find out.