Unknown primer


#1

here is a picture of a primer found on a steel case shell.
The letters are L M

Any idea of the manufacturer ?

thanks
JP


#2

JP

I don’t know about the primer but there is a similar intertwined " L M" raised headstamp on a 6mm Flobert. It is attributed to S.M.I Leon Beaux & Cie, Milan, Italy. See “The 22 Rimfire Cartridge” by BW Gracia.

Paul


#3

Hello Paul !
Leon Beaux ?? hum.

Anyway in Italia there is either Leon Beaux, either SMI, but not both at the same time.

Is there a reference in the book of George Kass (I have it but I borrowed it to a friend!)

Thanks
JP


#4

JP

There is no refence to this headstamp in Kass’s work. The only reference I have is Gracia. He states it was on pre-1940 6mm. I also have it on a 9mm Flobert. Thats all the information I have on it. Sorry!

Paul


#5

Hi Paul,
Thank you to have sent me the paper.
Perhaps BW Garcia is reading this forum and can give us more info ( box label, aso)
JP


#6

I think that when Barry Gracia listed the “LM” (Intertwined) headstamp for .22s as a product of S.M.I. Leon Beaux, he was not mixing the two Italian Companies Societ


#7

Hi John,
I agree with you.
Because all the drawings and litterature on Leon Beaux don’t show : LM.
The usual hstps on RF for Leon Beaux is a star or a cock.
JP


#8

On 8x56r manlicher ctg I have them with intertwinted LM (not gothic style)which stand for Magyar loszermuvek R.T. Veszprem Hongarije. Maybe a similarity? Jan


#9

I agree there is a serious doubt about it being Leon Beaux. The rimfire headstamp is identical the “LM” on the primer. They must have been made by or for the same company.

Like Jan I also thought of the “ML” on Magyar loszermuvek R.T. Veszprem Hongarije cartridges. I know nothing about this company only the reference in Hogg’s “The Cartridge Guide”. Did they ever make rimfires? My knowledge of European ammunition manufacture is very limited!

Paul


#10

Rimfire - the only Hungarian ML headstamps I have seen, while intertwined, are very plain letters, and appear on 9mm Parabellum and 9 x 25mm Mauser pistol and SMG ammo from the years 1943 and 44. Other than that, I don’t know much about the company either.

John Moss


#11

Probably doesn


#12

What about Ludwig Mandl of Austria ?

WIENER JAGDH


#13

I have found rimfire 9mm Floberts in round cans from S.A. MARTIGNONI, Genova, Italy, with this LM intertwined headstamp.


#14

Thats good to know. Another cartridge mystery solved! Thanks for the info FORAMMO. Any chance of posting a picture of the can?

Paul


#15

I confirm what said Georges.
these primers are from Martignoni
(I found a box in my mess !!)
JP


#16

This work was not for useless.
Here are some primers boxes from French origin.
JP
PS : I don’t collect anymore primers boxes.