Van Hee? M.E.N. 9mm


#1

I know that most of the collectors who are interested in oddball 9mm cartridges have come across the one with the little pointed aluminum tip inside a typical copper HP bullet, and which is often labeled as a “Van Hee”. I picked one up in St Louis, and I also picked up a couple great posters with 9mm sections done by Reinhold Peschke.

On the poster there is this one which is labeled as “MEN versuch ca 1977” (which I take to mean MEN experimental from 1977), and the cartridge I have that is labeled as Van Hee does have a MEN headstamp. So these are the same I assume?

Is this round considered a penetrator? Was Van Hee a designer at MEN? I’ve heard his name thrown around before concerning this projectile, and also some other experimental rocket.


#2

Paul Van Hee was an American who dabbled in ammunition design. He developed, in conjunction with the Spanish, some plastic rounds in 9mm and some in 9mm/45 made to use as cheap practice ammo in a .45 converted to their use by nothing more than a new barrel. He was a retired Army Reserve Officer, a BG I believe, and worked for some time for Cadillac Gauge Corp.

I got my 9mm that you picture from him, and he represented it as his design. I don’t know if it really was or not. He was a real salesman, and not beyond tossing the bull a little to enhance something. The round also exists in .45, I believe. I thought i had one in my collection, but cannot find it, so I may be wrong. Perhaps someone else can confirm or deny that it was made in the caliber as well as in 9mm Para.

I do not believe Paul Van Hee ever held any official position of any type with MEN of Germany.

John Moss


#3

yes the same round exists in 45 acp
jp


#4

JP - Thank you. I had remembered the round being in an MEN case, which in the instance of my own specimen, was wrong. I found mine in my collection. It is loaded in a “W-W” case. So,
I can double-confirm that this bullet type was made in 9mm and .45 ACP.

John Moss


#5

The .45acp version is shown here on page 10 as item #81: http://www.engelscollectibles.com/auctionlive1/CatalogSLICS1web.pdf with a W-W headstamp.