Where is Everyone?

Testing. Testing.

Wow that’s an old one. Those look like F-4 Phantoms on the deck.

Couldn’t have been too many years that they ran jets off straight-deckers.

U.S.S. Coral Sea CV 43, 1947-1993…Ray, correct me if I am wrong…


You’re correct Randy. The last ship I was on. I rode her around the Horn to Bremerton where she was converted to an angle deck. The last of the straight deck attack carriers. Notice that big AJ Savage on the rear of the flight deck. The first launch and recovery of that plane took place on the Coral Sea. And the first crash of an AJ too. Not on the same day though. ;-)


I got interested, so I checked. The Coral Sea got her angled deck in 1957, and the Navy got its first Phantoms in 1960. Therefore…no F4 Phantoms in that pic.

I think what you’re seeing are mostly F9 Cougars and F2 Banshees.

If you mean why does there seem to be less forum activity, it could be because SHOT show is going on which a few members go to, and the past few weeks have seen a lot of Holiday travel activity as well. Some of our members are dealers / shop owners and the business with guns has been crazy lately - not allowing for much forum recreation. Also, some of our members are more shooting & hunting oriented and in the winter they do less or none of that, and so have less cartridge interest.

The number of overall forum members (many of whom never post) is consistently up however.

DK - Yeah, that is what I meant. The Forum went 24 hours without a new post and I though maybe I had lost my connection. But, now we’re back to normal.



I’m doing 70 to 80 hour weeks, because they’re on offer at the moment, These leave me with just enough time to pop my nose into here to see what’s going on but I’d be afraid of contributing for fear of it making little or no sense … I’m shattered.

Happy collecting, Peter

Probably about 58’ Ray, somewhere in front of that fat targets track. The Fire Control Tracking Party is busy developing a solution for the Old Man so he can ram a few MK 14’s into her and see how well she can lauch those fancy little birds with a REALLY angled deck… port or starboard!

Sorry, couldn’t help myself!

Yeah, I wasn’t sure they were F-4s. I just wanted to post some kind of reply so Ray wouldn’t feel so all alone. I can’t believe I didn’t notice the lack of an angled deck though. I love ships and aircraft almost as much as I love ammunition.


You TMs are always fantasizing about putting a couple of MK 14s into one of the big carriers. While you are busy developing a solution, we’d simply open the throttle a little bit and sail away from you. What did you guys do? About 8 knots? ;-) ;-)


You are certainly correct Ray, it was mostly wishfull thinking that we would ever truly shoot a carrier because in my day, the US was the only Navy that had any! We ran war games against them all the time.
By the era we are talking about here, a diesel sub could eek out 15-18 knots submerged but running speed like that without snorkling drained the batteries quickly. We tried to anticipate the track and run around to get ahead, making manuvering a little less demanding but it did not always work. The modernized GUPPY hulls and the later-built diesels could make more speed submerged with the snorkle but the older Fleet Boat hulls would try to surface and run fast, making them vunerable to aircraft.
In the 50’s and 60’s the MK 14 and 16 was the preferred torpedoes for attacking something like a carrier and both had a pretty short range, especially in high speed (about 2 miles). They were straight run, unguided and fairly slow. By the 1970’s, when the MK 48 came along, the game was changed considerably with a high speed, long range, guided, homing torpedo with a magnetic impulse exploder. 1 MK 48 could do the damage of a half-dozen MK 14’s on a single target.
And then there was the advent of nuclear propulsion and the tear-drop hull design that made our subs far faster underwater, but noisey as heck at high speeds.


I really like Submariners. Whenever I’m out in busy places like casinos, I spend more time talking with Vets than I do gambling. The old Submariners are the most friendly of all and when they hear that I served on a CVA, the BS really begins to fly. My best friend from high school became a Submariner and he gave me a tour of his boat when we happened to meet in Norfolk one time. I was impressed. But, I still preferred to stay above the water line.