Winchester metal piercing bullets


#1

While revisiting my singles collection of 38 Specials and 357 Magnums, I discovered 2 different bullet shapes in my specimans of 38’s loaded with Winchesters metal piercing bullets. Though close in appearence there is a slightly different point profile. I assume they are basicly the same bullet with just a different profile. Am I correct or was there difference?


#2

There were two ogives that I have noticed. Here are all the variations that I know of, the 3 on the far right have a bullet that is a little different than the type usually found :


#3

DK, I as well noticed two different profiles. I assumed it was just a tooling change but wanted to make sure Winchester didnt actually make two different types of metal peircing bullets. I sectioned one of these bullets and they are simply a soft lead bullet with a simple pointed metal cap.


#4

Weren’t the Remington Hi-Way Master MP bullets in handgun calibers solid and made of some alloy, unlike the Winchester MP bullets? I assume the idea was to improve penetration performance of automobile bodies. How late were these types loaded by Winchester and Remington? I have a few loose rounds in .38 Special and .45 ACP, plus a full box of the Remington in .38 Special, which is of post-WWII manufacture. I can’t imagine they were marketed to police much past the early 1970s, if that late.


#5

The Remington and Peters loads in .38spl were some kind of hard zinc alloy (but ok for gun barrels), and the Rem & Peters .45acp were copper-jacketed zinc core bullets. The Winchester Metal piercing loads went into the 60’s at least with the .357mag and .38spl +P I think, but the Rem & Peters (.38 & .45) metal penetrating types were immediate pre-war, and post-war only as far as I knew.


#6

The Remington “Hi-Way Master” and Peters “Highway Patrol” Metal Penetrating loads were first listed in the 1939 catalogs in .38 S&W Special and .45 ACP. The .45 ACP loads were last listed in 1959 and the .38 S&W Special was last listed in 1965. Neither company made this load in .357 Magnum.