WWI Austrian 8x50R ID

These photos were posted on a FaceBook ammunition collectors page. I have reposted them here with the permission of the original poster. He is looking for an ID.

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These should be Austrian riflegrenade launching cartridges, used by the Zeitzunder-Gewehrgranate.

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Dirk, let’s say “with” as “by” implies it to be part of the grenade.

English, German and Dutch together in just a few words… what a mess!