WWII Romanian 7.9mm packet


This is for Liviu Stoica (and anyone else interested)

In an earlier thread you stated

  • @ pbutler: It is a real pleasure for me to see such a nice label and Romanian made 7.92X57 ammo from WW2. The label translation [from top to bottom] is this: “CMC” (Copsa-Mica Cugir); “Lot No” (Lot #); “10 Cartuse R. glont ‘S’ Nichelat pentru P.M. ZB cal 7.92 m/m” (10 cartridges R. ‘S’ bullet with nickel for the ZB light machine-gun / LMG caliber 7.92m/m); “Pulbere G” (propellant G); “Lot XVI” (Lot # 16); “gr.” (weight in grams); “Incarcate luna VII anul 1943” (Ammunition loaded during the month of July of the year 1943). —> NOTES: => A) Since the Romanians used the same nomenclature like the Czech for the 7.92X57 ammo, I assume that the “S” projectile means “standard” bullet. => B) I have no idea what means the letter “R” after “10 Cartuse R.” (10 cartridges R) and I also don’t know what type of “Pulbere G” (Propellant G) was. => C) Since these Romanian made 7.92X57 rounds were made only for the ZB 7.92mm LMG, I assume the ammo is “hot” and probably unsafe to be fired by the Czech made 7.92mm VZ-24 bolt-action rifle [named by the Romanians “Pusca ZB”] which was the standard rifle of the Romanian Army starting with mid-1930s and until late 1950s [7.62mm Mosin-Nagant Mod.44 bolt-action rifles firing the 7.62X54R rimmed round were manufactured in Romania under the Soviet iron fist in 1950s and issued for the Romanian military use too]. Romania manufactured [with license] at C.M.C. the 7.92mm ZB-30 LMG before 1939 and until 1944/45. => D) The letter “D” from the headstamp shows that the “recycled brass” was used to manufacture those 7.92X57 cartridge cases. —> Phil, did you take away the spring from the stripper clip body??? I’m asking this because I would like to know if any markings are stamped at the interiour of the clip body or on the other side of the spring. Liviu 06/25/09


Liviu, 7.62x54R from Romanian production are known from 1930 already.

  • @ EOD: Yes, I know some 7.62X54R rimmed cartridges manufactured during early 1930s by the “PA” [Pirotechnia Armatei / Army Pyrotechny] from Bucharest, Romania. I’ve never seen the way these rounds were packed [labels, boxes and markings]. => NOTE: During WW1 [Romania did fight in WW1 only between 1916-18] the Romanian army captured a variety of 7,62mm abandoned Russian made small caliber weapons [rifles and machine-guns] and this is the reason why the Romanians manufactured 7.62X54R ammo before 1939. Starting with early 1950s, Russian caliber ammo [7.62X25 Tokarev, 7.62X54R, 12.7X108, 14.5X114 and 7.62X39 starting with late 1950s] was manufactured in Romania [at “Cugir Arsenal” and “Sadu”] for the Russian weapons adopted by Romania after the end of WW2. Liviu 06/25/09



Thanks a lot for the translation.

I re-examined the clips and there are no markings on the clip body under the spring or on the backside of the spring.