Yugoslavian and Rhodesian stamped 9x19?


#1

I came across this at Southern Firearms & Appraisals in Homewood/Birmingham today.

Now I’ve searched around and I couldn’t find much on 9mm, I’m just trying to confirm if it is Yugoslavian since all I can find is for 8mm, 7.62x39, and 7.62x25.

Headstamp 11/52 with a star on the left & right. Seems to be regular ball ammo with sloppy red lacquer seals on most.

Second cartridge was said to be Rhodesian by a friend I asked, not sure how accurate that is though.

Headstamp is MM/43/6 (Triangular formation going clockwise) it could also be 9 MM 43, but there’s a large degree of seperation between the 9/6 and the MM though. It also has a black lacquer seal on the primer if that helps.

I’ll try and get you guys a picture or two if need be.


#2

The 11 * 52 * is definitely Yugo. The other is a controversial round, but definitely not Rhodesian. It was made in Canada in the mid-1950s for the CIA. They used these, and similar 7.92x57 rounds, wherever they need non-attributable ammo.


#3

Lots of posts here about the details of the 9 MM 43 rounds (also 40, 41, 42, 44 and 45). do a search and you will find them.

There Were a very few rounds made Rhodesia. Please be more specific. I assume you mean when it was still called Rhodesia.

Cheers,

Lew


#4

The only 9x19mm “Rhodesian” headstamp known is by Matthews Manufacturing Company in Belmont, Bulawayo

The headstamp reads “MMco 9MM”

There is reportedly an early unheadstamped round that is a product of MMco but I have never actually seen this cartridge.

There is also a round with a S&B case headstamped “SBP 9mmP” with a Glaser type bullet that was reportedly made by or for the Rhodesian police. I have the round but no written conformation of the origin of the cartridge.

I know of no other production of 9x19mm in Rhodesia or Zimbabwe.

Cheers,
Lew